hi ken, here is the log. getting rid of popcap was no loss thanks for the advice. i also came across a program named XM asia pacific ltd. and another named K-NFB reading tech.that i dont recall downloading i dumped them also figuring if they were needed they would reinstall at the time needed. what is your opinion of wild tangent i know it is a game client for HP but i have heard rumors it may have security issues also. couldn't help noticing the thread just posted about traffic outbrain on this site, i am curious what this is and will watch closely in the future to see if it pops up again, seems to me what you have done has resolved that issue and then some' can't tell you how much i value the advice.