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poolsharkzz
2009-10-28, 19:04
To understand where I am going with this you must read this thread from another forum:
IE8: Ad blocking with the InPrivate Filter
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26723-ie8-ad-blocking-with-the-inprivate-filter/#entry253419
Then, you have to read this thread which clarifies a few points:
http://forum.abelhadigital.com/index.php?showtopic=707&st=0#entry3355111
Questions:
1.) I have the idea of running both an updated Hosts File and this custom XML File - could the XML File somehow replace the Hosts File or is this whole thing nothing more than a redundancy that will slow down my browser?
2.) What about the immunization features some spyware programs have, like Spybot S&D and SpywareBlaster - are these a redundancy as well?
3.) Is the Mod from HostsMan Forums correct - is the immunization features of Spybot S&D as well as other nothing more than a redunancy?
4.) What about this new idea of using a custom XML File?
Could you break it all down for me?
OddTodd
:thanks:
poolsharkzz
2009-10-28, 21:36
From my eariler post:
1.) Which is better: The Host File, XML File, or Immunization?
I am thinking about performance and speed but also security...
2.) Can I run all 3? Please list the pros and cons.
Thanks again,
OddTodd
poolsharkzz
2009-10-31, 00:07
Look guys, this idea could be included with Spybot - adding to an otherwise "Top-Ten" security program.
I mean, it took me a whole 5 minutes to look over everything...
Just curious, could I get a response here?
Thanks,
poolsharkzz
I stopped using most of the blocking features such as Host files and Restricted Sites (Immunize) when IE7 came out, though IE8 has an even better set of protection for both Phishing and Malware in the SmartScreen Filter that's included.
You spend way too much time overthinking and overlapping too many security products when your biggest and most obvious security risk is that outmoded operating system, Windows XP. Just look at the first graph on this page at the Microsoft Malware Protection Center discussing the Security Intelligence Report and the trend is clear, old OS are simply a risk.
https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Threat/SIR.aspx
Upgrade to Windows 7, throw on a good AV and maybe you'll get time to actually use your PC, not spend your life trying to secure it.
Bitman
drragostea
2009-11-02, 02:01
bitman's response just lit up the whole freaking world. ^^"
I love it.
I wouldn't go as far as calling these types of passive protection as redundant, but they are definately are heading that way. There are just too many infected sites for anyone to manage to write down in a suitable time-frame. You've got to remember, infected domains can appear today and be gone tomorrow - eventually a legitimate owner of a domain will find some of his/her's visitors are unable reach the site due to that domain being once used to distribute malware and therefore was placed on a list.
Another problem that passive protection lists face, traditionally host files, is that they are becoming so large that they are actually causing slow-downs - which I find odd: people don't want to become infected with malware that slows down their computers so they go overkill on protection that slows down their computers, essentially defeating their goal in the first place.
Like bitman said, various browsers already have systems in place to warn users of bad downloads or dangerous sites and there are plugins out there to also warn the user if the site they're visiting is bad (Web of Trust (WOT) comes to mind).
However flawed, I do still see some use in passive protection if used in a sensible manner and not counted as a primary defence - I, for example am a user of SpywareBlaster, but personally the fact that I haven't been infected in years I put down to other factors including the mantra that I live my life by (at least online!) that 'your first defence is your common sense'.
Don't go around visiting shady sites - you'll surely become infected - no matter how many domain blocking lists you have. ;)
Hi honda12,
You've given some of the reasons that I've moved away from the use of block lists, but others include the fact that they require too much maintenance, since most of the tools aren't completely automated or require me to automate them. At a time when most everything being provided includes complete automation that works in a stable manner, I simply don't have the time to manually maintain my security any longer.
Your mention of 'passive' protection is a pet peeve, because that's another fallacy of these methods, since the code that operates them is simply shifted to the browser or another operating system component rather than being an 'active' component of the protection program itself. This doesn't lessen their overhead as you mentioned yourself, it simply shifts the blame.
Overall, the lack of speed in response and other things already mentioned above make me less than enthused with this approach. Since I try to use the applications I suggest to others, and many of these are unskilled users, I have little interest in systems that require user interaction to maintain on a regular basis.
However, as I stated in my post above, the real issue in this case is the outdated operating system, even though it is still supported by Microsoft. So many have become accustomed to maintaining a plethora of security applications to protect themselves when it would be far simpler to upgrade the operating system and gain not only better security, but also the other features that the newer os includes.
The Microsoft Security Intelligence Report (SIR) I linked above was just recently updated with the information from a more recent quarter and the new graph still shows quite clearly that the newer os versions are less affected by malware.
Bitman
You've given some of the reasons that I've moved away from the use of block lists, but others include the fact that they require too much maintenance, since most of the tools aren't completely automated or require me to automate them. At a time when most everything being provided includes complete automation that works in a stable manner, I simply don't have the time to manually maintain my security any longer.
Ah yes. Maintenance. I suppose it has become second nature for me to perform an update n' scan with program x every week, especially after spending years instructing unskilled family and friends to do the same thing (with varying degrees of success).
I completely agree with your point on automation. People now expect automation rather than consider it as an 'added bonus'.
Like most things, cars, people, OSs, the older things become the more maintenance they need.
That Microsoft report is interesting reading, I had a skim through it. Thanks for the share.
Rosenfeld
2009-11-04, 01:50
Bitman,
Your advice to upgrade from XP is not always practical.
For example on my system (Dell XPS630i) Windows 7 advisor tells me that my nVidia 8800GT graphics card would not be able to use the aero feature So new video card required = $$.
My Office XP pro with several addons I use in Excel would need probably upgrading and several other applications I use would also need upgrading or do not yet offer Windows 7 compatibility (I suppose I could run them in the XP compatibility mode?) = more $$
Time spent learning new OS is also a disincentive.
I don't experience any slowdowns or conflicts, using mvps hosts file, Spybot immunize on my user account, SD helper (not teatimer) and Spywareblaster, with NAV 2010 and ZA.
XP pro SP3, IE 8
Hi Rosenfeld,
One glance at the specs of poolsharkzz system and I doubt he has your issue with hardware, though it really doesn't matter if you have areo or not to use most of the features Windows 7 would provide. I upgraded a much less capable system than yours to Windows Vista last year primarily for the better security it offered for my nephews, though I was already planning to purchase Office 2007 Home and Student anyway, since they needed Word.
In my experience, most home users don't have much more than free Internet downloadable applications and maybe Office (Word) anyway, though that will vary of course. I know that's true of my family members and most of my friends. Your setup sounds a bit more business oriented which is where most of these application upgrade issues occur.
My post was focused primarily on this particular user anyway, since he has obviously got the power available for whatever he does, but he's costing himself lots of time for little true security. However, I also suspect that's all he really does with the PC, so it may not matter anyway.
Bitman
poolsharkzz
2009-11-07, 04:32
Well, It seems I have to start with bitman: :grandpa:
You spend way too much time overthinking on how much better Windows 7 is over the "outdated" XP...
Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses
http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses/
Those folks over at Sophos Labs are no slouches, I assure you.
I think you should spend some of that time not worring about what operating system I'm running, nor what hardware I currently have -
You dropped the ball and skirted around the issue. I am wondering if there is anyone here that really could answer my questions as they were laid out.
Please don't waste my time again with your foolish opinoins and senseless drool.
More for you in a minute, but first, let's move on drragostea...
Yes, you are correct - his weak, lazy, ignorant responses will indeed "light up the whole freaking world" - his whole freaking world, that is... :buried:
You should not respond to such in the manner you did - you are involved with one of the "top-ten" spyware products in the world - comments like that reflect on Spybot in such a way that folks may decide to uninstall your software and never use it again.
If I was at the helm, I would've fired your happy ass quicker than a High School Freshman with a Saturday Night Hooker and then black-listed you from the industry for years to come.
What you should have done was taken advantage of the opportunity that was put in front of you at the time - but instead, you choose to praise him by giving him a "pat him on the back". You deserve each other.
As the same with Honda12 - and I thought you had a back-bone!
What was that opportunity? This is the first time Internet Explorer has the opportunity to actually use InPrivate Filter for Ad Blocking and such beyond what the user may or may not use it for - in the form of a list provided by Spybot, updated one per week.
If any of you had any Business Acumen, you would see your failures - :hair:
This could have given Spybot the opportunity to get quite ahead of it's competition - by offering another level of protection along with Immunization and a Hosts File - a 3-way dance - which no one is doing at the moment.
This opportunity could have been a seperate option in a "pro version" for home or business use, thus providing a new revenue stream - which I'm sure you folks need.
It's kind of funny - bitman beat his chest proudly in his opening remarks on how he stopped using most of the blocking features such as Host files and Restricted Sites (Immunize) when IE7 came out..
Yet, this clown is a Spybot Advisor Team Member? :scratch:
Wait a second - Spybot provides a multi-layered system of protection including using Immunization, a Hosts File, and of course, Tea Timer...
What's wrong with this picture? Let me guess: Inept or Incompetent?
Feeling kinda silly, aren't ya? :slap:
I would never take advice from a guy who doesn't believe in his own product - nor would I take the advice from a guy who doesn't lock-down, secure, and harden the world's most widely hijacked Browser.
Upgrade to Windows 7? Why, so that I can be like you? I don't think so...
I have everything that I want or need from Vista and Windows 7 already - over 95% of "what is" Windows 7 and Vista has been ported back to XP - check this out:
List of Most Vista / Windows 7 Apps, Tools, and Features for XP
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20480-list-of-most-vista-applications-and-features-for-xp/
Between this and other websites, blogs, and forums that for the past 8-9 years have documented tons and tons of information on XP...
I see no reason in the world why I should upgrade to Windows 7.
Here is another one of my favorites:
"The Road to Know Where" - get it? LOL
December, 2008 - check it out -
http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/?_c11_BlogPart_BlogPart=blogview&_c=BlogPart&partqs=amonth%3d12%26ayear%3d2008
In fact, let me show you what a real XP system looks like:
http://photobucket.com/poolsharkzz
Your Honor, I rest my case - Take your Windows 7 and show it...
and then call me in April, 2014 - I might then decide whether or not XP is "out-dated" or not. In the mean time, do some research before you open your pie hole again:
"For all you Windows 7ers who need to bash XP"
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26698-for-all-you-windows-7ers/
I also think it might be best to think about working harder to "get it right" on that so-called "redundancy" "immunization-thingy" feature again, it seems you folks have to catch up on some serious complaints from what I see!
The only person who made any sense was Rosenfeld. Thank you, maybe you can take another look at what my orginial intentions were for this thread and take it to the next level? It would be very much appreaciated.
Honda12 tried, but got caught up too much in the mix. Next time, I would suggest being a leader instead of a follower - you will go much farther and folks will respect you a whole lot more.
At the end of the it's simple people - focus on what the topic is and respond to it in kind - keeping your damn personal opinoins out of the picture.
This isn't my first rodeo, boy and girls, nor will it be my last. I've been dealing with technology since before most of you were even born - green screens, dot-matrix printers, the AS 400 mainframe, Cobol, DOS, Basic, Fortran, Pascal, Lotus Notes and Punch Card Reader Systems before that.
I suggest we try again, this time the right way? :oops:
I am looking foward to your on-topic answers.
Thank you,
poolsharkzz
poosharkzz,
Have fun playing in the dust with Windows XP, I and the rest of the world have moved on.
Bitman
Hi poolsharkzz,
Honda12 tried, but got caught up too much in the mix. Next time, I would suggest being a leader instead of a follower - you will go much farther and folks will respect you a whole lot more.
By your statement above, are you saying people aren't allowed to agree with one another?
As the same with Honda12 - and I thought you had a back-bone! Unfortunately I am an invertebrate. :alien:
You are right that I do have less experience than bitman, hence why I look up to him in many respects, however, that is not to say I always agree with his opinion. Rather than being 'beaten into submission' in my second post to this thread, I was merely commenting on the old way of doing things and thanking him for an informative pdf which I haven't seen before. Everything he said in his reply (automation being expected), I agree with.
The only person who made any sense was Rosenfeld. Thank you, maybe you can take another look at what my orginial intentions were for this thread and take it to the next level? It would be very much appreaciated.Rosenfield, out of all those who took the courtesy of replying to your thread was the only one not bashed in some way and seems now to be regarded as being 'on your side' - most likely because he disagreed with bitman concerning problems upgrading to Windows 7.
drragostea's reply although providing absolutely no value at all to the discussion (other than clearly annoying you and increasing his post count), still didn't warrant your blatant mocking.
This may have been pushed to the back of your obviously extremely technical mind, but you should remember that this is a discussion forum and you should respect people's views rather than take a swing at those who disagree with yours.
poolsharkzz
2009-11-07, 23:46
You guys still haven't figured it out - you have alot to learn...
I still see that even after my post you guys keep beating that Windows 7 drum instead of answering the questions as laid out in front of you.
The whole thing was simple -
I can see maybe setting up a few systems or maybe with a few VMs and running a few tests and throwing a few nasties at each of the systems with different configurations using Internet Explorer 8 armed with that guy's new InPrivate Filtering List from the Adblock Plus, Immunization from Spybot, and say the MVPS Hosts File, so that we don't have any "redundancy" issues...
The goals was basic -
1.) To see if speed and strength could work hand-in-hand.
2.) To learn witch is the best configuration.
2.) To answer my other questions as I originally posted.
Then, we could've compared my findings with your findings and together with a few tune-ups and tweaks, we could've gave Spybot users "and the world" another level of defense = making Spybot a more vital security application in a world where there is many and most are of equal stature.
Maybe some kind of positive "working relationship" could have been obtained or developed with this guy and Adblock Plus to work with Spybot to offer such an option for IE8 users in the next version of Spybot?
Instead, you wanted to get hard-headed and turned this into a jerk-off pissing contest concerning Operating Systems - only you didn't realise who you were dealing with!
What wrong with this picture, boys and girls? Feeling silly again?
I'd bet you'll think twice before doing something stupid like that again, no?
You missed it and I have no more time to cuddle each one of you and explain it again in smaller words so that you might understand.
It's your loss, and because of your refractive defect called short sightedness, I hope your competition "leaves you in the dust" - or have they already?
You know, until now I never understood why most folks don't even use Spybot anymore - well, guess what? I've learned something today!
Ladies and germs, it's an XP world - and will stay an XP world until Microsoft comes up with a product that will replace XP...
Something similar along the lines as what Windows 7 has done for Vista users - you know, to fix what's broken?
Until then...
XP - 'till the world blows up!
poolsharkzz
PS. As for bitman's Microsoft (SIR) Report - consider the source...
Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses?
Hmmm...
"So many have become accustomed to maintaining a plethora of security applications to protect themselves when it would be far simpler to upgrade the operating system and gain not only better security, but also the other features that the newer os includes."
Consider this source as well!
Hi poolsharkzz,
only you didn't realise who you were dealing with!
Okay, I think the whole Internet gets the picture with you concerning Windows 7! :clown:
I assume that this latest post is directed at bitman as he was the one who brought up the whole outdated OS issue which you obviously have very strong views about.
I wish you could see that you are getting caught up too much in the whole XP vs 7 "argument" and in an attempt to have the final word you have failed to see that bitman has clearly ended his participation in this thread - at least with you acting with the kind of language shown in your posts directed at him and others:
Please don't waste my time again with your foolish opinoins and senseless drool.
I would've fired your happy ass quicker than a High School Freshman with a Saturday Night Hooker ...
Now, if you want to others to participate without fearing your wrath, please don't use that kind of language again. *says forum member with no authority at all* :laugh:
If I had any sense I would have reported you for blatant attacking of this thread's participants, however, if your reputation hasn't been tarnished too badly, maybe something of a "working relationship" could come to be or at least a proper discussion.
However, to truly discuss the technical aspects of your queries, the people to become involved would be members of the forum group 'Team Spybot' as they are directly linked with the development of the application.
Thanks,
honda :)
P.S. What the heck happened to the nice poolsharkzz in previous threads? :p:
honda12,
Thanks for the defense, but it's not necessary, since as you also understand it's something else that's driving poolsharkzz direction. In fact, a full read through his own link to a thread elsewhere clearly indicates the issue is money, not technology that's driving his decision. So my original statement that maintaining the security may be all he does with the PC was nearly correct, it's simply extended to include making it look like a current OS and for a different reason than I'd suspected.
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26698-for-all-you-windows-7ers/
I'm simply not inclined to beat a dead horse, since there's an obvious lack of understanding of the core security differences between Windows 7 and the earlier operating systems, especially as it relates to 64-bit capability. I'm simply not inclined to perform a complete tutorial here, since they already exist elsewhere and this isn't the correct place for it anyway.
As you also correctly stated, I am not a member of Team Spybot, just another user of Spybot Search and Destroy with a history of helping others on the forums which anyone who frequents them is well aware. It will be up to them if they have any interest in this direction, though I personally believe it's a step backwards into another time which most with a deeper interest in the technology and thus Spybot S&D itself are leaving with lightening speed.
Bitman
Hi poolsharkzz,
you can use Windows XP as long as you think it's ok, because it is one of the best OS Microsoft has created. :bigthumb:
Your animadversion against voluntary helpers isn't adequate in this way. :cool:
poolsharkzz
2009-11-10, 00:21
Honda12 -
"Oh where, oh where, has the "Nice" poolsharkzz gone...?"
"Oh where, oh where, can he be?"
Well, it started out that way, until an utter novice in a cheap, wrinkled suit thought he could waste my time and sit down at the big table and talk with adults. Children are seen and not heard...
In the interest of fairness, he will get his chance redemption, that is, to prove himself and show his "technological prowess" later on, I assure you.
Let's look at a few of butman's (oops, I meant bitman's) comments, just for the record:
Quote:
"Your biggest and most obvious security risk is that outmoded operating system, Windows XP"
"However, as I stated in my post above, the real issue in this case is the outdated operating system, even though it is still supported by Microsoft."
My original post:
Ie8: Ad Blocking With The Inprivate Filter - Spybot & InPrivate Filter?
It doesn't matter what Operating System you have: XP, Vista and Windows 7 will all run Internet Explorer 8 smoothly. Further more, there was no mention anywhere in my original topic about "Operating System" or the like. Off-Topic.
"even though it is still supported by Microsoft"... (who's kidding who?)
Quote:
"I stopped using most of the blocking features such as Host files and Restricted Sites (Immunize) when IE7 came out, though IE8 has an even better set of protection for both Phishing and Malware in the SmartScreen Filter that's included."
Nobody cares if he runs IE7 or IE8 or that he runs them naked without protection or not. Off-Topic
While true that Microsoft upgraded the latest versions of Internet Explorer with a few decent options, I wouldn't trust Microsoft's technology alone - In fact, anyone with a brain either doesn't use Internet Explorer or knows how to technologically lock it down, secure, and harden it from the outside elements - dare I say that most would use Firefox?
Thus Immunization, a good Hosts File, and now we have the possibly the idea of using The Inprivate Filter with the Adblock Plus List - which all features are key and crucial to protecting one's system from viruses and spyware - anything else is just plain stupid on the users part...
I would follow bitman's advice is you enjoy reformatting your system often.
Quote:
"Though I personally believe it's a step backwards into another time which most with a deeper interest in the technology and thus Spybot S&D itself are leaving with lightening speed."
Old technology? A step backwards? You would be foolish to believe so! It's still quite relevant being that what, 80% or more of the Browser market is some version of Internet Explorer? Until that number falls below 10% or Microsoft releases a new version of Internet Explorer, I will stick to exactly what I am doing - thank you very much!
Let's see what Gazelle has in store for us. The rest of his comments are Off-Topic.
Which that is at the heart of the matter - I came here (which isn't that often) because I thought I was bringing to Spybot's attention a new way to safely lock-down, secure, and harden Internet Explorer - which is exactly what Spybot is supposed to do, right?
I did not post on this forum to receive personal, off-topic opinions about whether or not my Operating System is "out-dated" or not.
Shall we continue?
Quote:
"You've given some of the reasons that I've moved away from the use of block lists, but others include the fact that they require too much maintenance, since most of the tools aren't completely automated or require me to automate them. At a time when most everything being provided includes complete automation that works in a stable manner, I simply don't have the time to manually maintain my security any longer."
Seems like someone's a bit lazy and can't sit down and update his system once per week? I bet he finds time to go to his favorite porn site! Again, who cares if he has the time or not - Off-Topic
Quote:
"I'm simply not inclined to beat a dead horse, since there's an obvious lack of understanding of the core security differences between Windows 7 and the earlier operating systems, especially as it relates to 64-bit capability."
Core security differences? Right, you must be speaking about that really cool feature everyone loves called User Account Control (UAC)?
We gone over this already: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses
http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses/
Again, those folks over at Sophos Labs are just a wee bit smarter than you are, I'm sure. Again, Off-Topic
Computers 101 - The Windows 7 core kernel is based on Vista's and much older technology - think of it at best as a Service Pack 3 for Vista because at the end of the day that is what Windows 7 is:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/win7_minwin_preview.asp
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/1473-63-window-core
Have bitman write me a tutorial? Son, you really don't get it - I helped write some of the books you've read! - Again, his comments are Off-Topic
Who mentioned anything about 64-bit capability in my original post? I have a 32-bit Operating System, are we now trying to compare Apples to Oranges? Again, who cares, Off-Topic
Five Things You Should Know About Windows 7 Security
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/174677/five_things_you_should_know_about_windows_7_security.html
Wow - I can't believe it - They mention Internet Explorer 8 and using The Inprivate Filter!
Quote:
"So many have become accustomed to maintaining a plethora of security applications to protect themselves when it would be far simpler to upgrade the operating system and gain not only better security, but also the other features that the newer os includes."
The whole comment is so Off-Topic it's almost unbearable - Regardless of the Operating System you are running, even going back to Windows 3.11 - You have to have a very good-rated "top-ten" Firewall, decent Antivirus, decent Spyware, and Backup programs -
Otherwise you don't deserve to own a computer and it should be illegal for you to own one!
and this guy is still helping out others with Spyware and virus infections? What’s wrong with this picture?
You mentioned respecting others - how can I when I hear this garbage given to me as advice?
Here are a few examples on how someone helps another and gives advice:
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26753-windows-system-defender-virus/
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26826-redirect-redirect-redirect/
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26804-bad-virus-need-help/
As you can see, the help and advice was always on-topic, specific and to the point without personal feelings or off-topic comments or naive, unproductive suggestions - excluding The Alpha Gamer - he is my pet project - including multiple times of seriously recommending Windows 7!
There is more, a whole bunch more - but the one that stands out, that took the cake:
Quote:
"In fact, a full read through his own link to a thread elsewhere clearly indicates the issue is money, not technology that's driving his decision. So my original statement that maintaining the security may be all he does with the PC was nearly correct, it's simply extended to include making it look like a current OS and for a different reason than I'd suspected."
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26698-for-all-you-windows-7ers/
Is that all you got from this? You got a lot to learn...
While money was an issue, the overall issue is this: Since there is nothing new and unusual about Windows 7 and that it is nothing more than Service Pack 3 for Vista - with a whole lot of headaches and frustrations along the way - and since all the usable technology had been ported back to XP - there is no reason to upgrade.
Spend your money on something else, like a new 30 inch LCD flat panel monitor, a RAM or Processor upgrade, maybe a 100 watts multimedia sound system and then you are all set for when Microsoft comes out with something worth upgrading to...
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26879-microsoft-demonstrates-next-gen-interface/
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20091106/microsoft-college-tour-09/
Now there is something you can spend your hard earned money on!
While trying to make me look follish, I see bitman missed the hard work, blood, sweat, and tears folks have put in porting back what was worth porting back from Windows 7 and Vista to XP - both from a technological aspect and from a customization aspect. Shame on you!
No matter how you slice it - bitman from the very beginning tried to make this a "XP versus Windows 7" topic when clearly the topic should have been discussing the following:
IE8: Ad blocking with the InPrivate Filter
Why? Because he blew it off. Why? Because it didn't fit into his 'little box", there-by letting his personal feelings get in the way:
Quote:
"Upgrade to Windows 7, throw on a good AV and maybe you'll get time to actually use your PC, not spend your life trying to secure it."
Meaning: 'Upgrade to Windows 7 and all your troubles will soon be over".
If I was a NOOB (like he thought I was) and followed his advice, I'd be out $125.00 for Home Premium or more:
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-Windows-7/category/102
and we still would be right back where we started from.
How would you feel?
I am not angry anymore, bitman and his lackey have felt my wrath - talk about being chewed up and spat out! I am more disappointed and discouraged at the Off-Topics that were given because one felt he had to pronounce his own personal opinion because he didn't like the subject matter.
One more item - Rosenfeld - the only person who can claim he used his background knowledge and possible research before he spoke without interjecting his personal opinion to the topic at hand - that is why I gave him praise - not because I felt "he was on my side" as you so mistakenly suggested - because he gave a straight-forward answer without the "drama".
Don't feel left out - I gave you points for trying, and now I am giving you a few more for making sense on many levels - especially Post #6 - but at the end of the day the topic was as I wrote it: "Ie8: Ad Blocking With The Inprivate Filter - Spybot & InPrivate Filter?" - I do not care nor was the subject concerning maintenance, automation, passive protection, etc.
I have decided to move on and share my thoughts and ideas at other security forums. You can thank your buddy bitman for that.
I am sorry that you are an invertebrate. :D:
poolsharkzz
PS. I almost forgot: bitman's "technological prowess"
The challenge is quite simple: Repair a few bugs in Spybot.
1.) When you right click on a file to scan with Spybot it doesn't say: "Scan using Spybot - Search & Destory" - Repair this using my screen shot: "Spybot 1" as a reference.
2.) When you are using Internet Explorer - from the Tool Menu drop-down - "Spybot - Search & Destory Configuration" - Repair this using my screen shot: "Spybot 2" as a reference.
3.) When having Spybot opened, Repair it so that all columns automatically adjust throughout the program, including the update dialog box - anywhere where there is columns of information they need to be able to automatically adjust by themselves so that the user does not have to do it manually. Also, add a little space or make it extra wide but within the page so that all the columns are easier to read - also keep it so that you don't have to scroll to the left or right - keep it all on one page. Repair this using my screen shots: "Spybot 3" and "Spybot 4" as your references.
To repair this took me less than 20 minutes - I will give bitman 24 hours to post his replies.
I would also like to see these fixes rolled up and put together for everyone with Wednesday's updates, if possible.
There is no cheating, no help of any kind, no secret PMs, no asking questions with colleagues, etc.
It's all on bitman - this is his big chance to put his money where his mouth has been.
Piece of cake - I am looking forward to see these bugs fixed!
Screen shots are attached...
poolsharkzz
2009-11-10, 00:36
Hi poolsharkzz,
you can use Windows XP as long as you think it's ok, because it is one of the best OS Microsoft has created. :bigthumb:
Your animadversion against voluntary helpers isn't adequate in this way. :cool:
Thank you! I am glad you think that way... :bighug: :2thumb:
Look, I've explained myself fully over a couple of threads on why these guys got the thrashing they got.
I am sorry it had to be this way - I have a feeling it will continue cause bitman is the kind who thinks he is always right all of the time and I no longer have the time to play his game. :boxing:
It's sad - so much good could've came out of this! :hair: :crazy:
Take care, :yahoo:
poolsharkzz
:rockon:
Time out.
Discussion is good, personal attacks are not.
poolsharkzz
2009-11-11, 23:10
Time out.
Discussion is good, personal attacks are not.
Fair enough...
I didn't start the fire - I just put it out! :boxing:
@ bitman -
Where is your response to my challange? :confused:
I'm sure you figured it out by now, it's been almost 48 hours... :popcorn:
I give you a guess - The solution begins with the letter "R"...
I am still looking forward to your reply. :yes:
poolsharkzz
:wav:
However, as I stated in my post above, the real issue in this case is the outdated operating system, even though it is still supported by Microsoft. So many have become accustomed to maintaining a plethora of security applications to protect themselves when it would be far simpler to upgrade the operating system and gain not only better security, but also the other features that the newer os includes.
"Outdated"? How do you define "outdated"?
An OS, like any tool, needs to be suited for the task. An OS, like any tool, is "outdated" only when it cannot effectively and efficiently perform the task required. Understand?
I maintain a fairly large number of computers, both professionally and for family. All are Windows XP. I've standardized on a select few applications for firewall (either Outpost, or Windows Firewall), antiVirus (SystemSuite 7), and malware (Spybot). All are set to automatically update themselves with no user interaction (even Spybot grabs updates from the internet in the background without user interaction!!!).
Security maintenance is virtually zero-effort when you STANDARDIZE, and when you are an experienced professional that knows what you are doing. I gently suggest that "bitman"'s methods are "outdated" :santa:
poolsharkzz
2009-12-14, 21:32
Kudos to BillGio!
Thank you for your response - I've been waiting for another seasoned professional to weight in on this topic for awhile now.
You may want to take a look at this thread: XP and Spybot 2.0 (http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?t=53949)
Here is a really good read as well:
Spybot Immunize Plus IE 8 Final Equals Disaster On WinXP SP3 (http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?t=46906)
Orginally, after reading over those threads, I was in shock and very upset - was I a bit hard? Maybe, but I really doubt it...
With deep concern, I voiced my distaste (my wraith) over what I felt was information and comments being given in such a charlatanistic way - only to learn there are a few folks that are "fans" thus spent their time defending instead of contributing.
I also have to agree with you - I spend less than 5 minutes per week dealing with security. The only time I focus on security is when a new version of what I'm using is released, then I spend the time researching and reviewing exactly what is "new" with the update before I update.
You see, I don't trust Microsoft in the way some folks do - I mean, do we have to give examples of all the BSODs, error reports, and crashed systems we have had to deal with over the years?
Are we now to trust Microsoft with their User Account Control (UAC) and their new SmartScreen Filter along with the new Cross Site Scripting (XXS) Filter?
Sorry Charlie, I don't think so - no can do - not this crazy cat!
Microsoft should stay out of the security business altogether and stay out of "The Security Company's" way - Let the security company focus of the security aspect and then let Microsoft continue it's focus on designing the next-gen operating system so that I have something to upgrade XP to in April, 2014.
I am glad someone else understood what I was trying to say.
If you can, post back - I would love to read your responses!
poolsharkzz
PS. Internet Explorer 9 will be here sometime next year - let's see what happends then - The Gazelle Browser is just right around the corner...
I doubt either one will be any "safer" than IE6 - Immunized or not.
@poolsharkzz, thanks for your comments!
Referring to those posters as charlatans is a bit harsh - I'd label them "pretenders".
No, I don't blame Microsoft for any of these problems - I blame the people that don't know how to do an initial setup of a Windows computer properly. With Windows computers, an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure.
In my extensive experience, it is rare that a computer I've set up experiences problems of any kind. The ONLY time a computer I've set up has problems - THE ONLY TIME A WINDOWS COMPUTER I HAVE SET UP HAS PROBLEMS - is when the computer has that crappy Viewpoint Media Player installed. Regardless of whether you call it spyware or not, it's crappy software that runs with Administrator privileges that multitasks badly. Often, uninstalling Viewpoint will fix any and all IE problems.
I contributed a post on how to PROPERLY update Spybot and immunize here (http://forums.spybot.info/showpost.php?p=351565&postcount=49).
poolsharkzz
2009-12-14, 23:28
I couldn't agree with you more!
The way I see it:
Microsoft builds the house. For the most part - it's a solid house...
Yes, the house comes complete with standard locks on the doors and on the windows. Unfortunately in today's world, standard isn't good enough.
If you don't want to get robbed, I'd suggest changing the standard door and windows locks and replace them with more security-focused products...
and then put up a good fence around the house.
and then put a lock on the gate.
and then get a few dogs.
and then get a few guns.
Yes, all that before you move into the house!
In today's world, you have to be proactive and at the same time be able to quickly react when some zero-day nasty pops up - otherwise you're toast!
Most folks today take a computer out of the box and plug it in and away they go, not worrying about security, maintenance, backup, etc.
Crazy as it seems, I make a part of my living off people just like that! (LOL)
I don't blame Microsoft either, it's just I don't trust them or anyone else with something as important as my home system's security when my wife is paying our bills or doing the banking or shopping online.
Regardless what they say - Microsoft isn't going to reimburse me if someone robs my house, drains my bank accounts, or steals my credit card numbers...
Nor are they because a few "pretenders" out there said that all I needed to do is update my OS and "Microsoft will take care of everything else"...
Which is why I came down so hard on those guys!
I hope there was no one out there that actually took some of that bad advice and at the same time I was making sure "The Powers to be" wasn't either...
It would be a real shame if they were.
poolsharkzz
PS. You know what's really funny?
Not one person from Spybot has asked me more about the orginial topic.
Not one person...
Actually, it's much simpler than that. For one-shot setups for WinXP computers I don't maintain after they see me, I do the following:
Log in as Administrator and set a password for that account
Enable Windows Firewall
Install all Windows Updates & disable auto-update
Install Quicktime and configure
Install Adobe Flash & set to auto-update
Install Spybot & set to auto-update
Enable Resident & Teatimer
Install user's anti-virus (NOT McAfee or Avast - both can hose your computer)
Configure Services
Properly configure all Internet options (takes 20 minutes)
Allow ActiveX to run, but disable downloading any new ActiveX.
Install user programs (Office, etc) (NEVER AOL)
Set up main user account as LUA
Give them the computer
Drink beer
That's It
That's it. THAT'S IT!
This provides:
Primary account is a Limited User Account (LUA) - the OS is protected (door is closed)
Windows Firewall (door is locked)
Spybot (door is steel-bolted)
Disable downloading ActiveX controls (door is invisible)
If they install any programs from AOL, including Messenger, I tell them I won't help them do anything else on the computer.
For antivirus, I prefer Trend Micro, because they are the only major antivirus company in the past six years that have NOT released an "update" which mistakes good OS files as spyware (earlier this year, McAfee's updates bricked computers this way - TWICE). Plus, Trend Micro's antivirus uses very little system resources.
Notice that I disable auto-updates on Windows Update. Auto-updates can cause problems. But who cares - if you have a firewall, antivirus, and Spybot, the security "improvements" won't affect you because you're protected. Plus, if you do have problems later, often installing Windows Updates will help by over-writing corrupted OS files for you!
And anyone who uses an Administrator account as their daily login deserves a corrupted computer.