Ie8: Ad Blocking With The Inprivate Filter - Spybot & InPrivate Filter?

Well, It seems I have to start with bitman: :grandpa:

You spend way too much time overthinking on how much better Windows 7 is over the "outdated" XP...

Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses

http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/...-8-10-viruses/

Those folks over at Sophos Labs are no slouches, I assure you.

I think you should spend some of that time not worring about what operating system I'm running, nor what hardware I currently have -

You dropped the ball and skirted around the issue. I am wondering if there is anyone here that really could answer my questions as they were laid out.

Please don't waste my time again with your foolish opinoins and senseless drool.

More for you in a minute, but first, let's move on drragostea...

Yes, you are correct - his weak, lazy, ignorant responses will indeed "light up the whole freaking world" - his whole freaking world, that is... :buried:

You should not respond to such in the manner you did - you are involved with one of the "top-ten" spyware products in the world - comments like that reflect on Spybot in such a way that folks may decide to uninstall your software and never use it again.

If I was at the helm, I would've fired your happy ass quicker than a High School Freshman with a Saturday Night Hooker and then black-listed you from the industry for years to come.

What you should have done was taken advantage of the opportunity that was put in front of you at the time - but instead, you choose to praise him by giving him a "pat him on the back". You deserve each other.

As the same with Honda12 - and I thought you had a back-bone!

What was that opportunity? This is the first time Internet Explorer has the opportunity to actually use InPrivate Filter for Ad Blocking and such beyond what the user may or may not use it for - in the form of a list provided by Spybot, updated one per week.

If any of you had any Business Acumen, you would see your failures - :hair:

This could have given Spybot the opportunity to get quite ahead of it's competition - by offering another level of protection along with Immunization and a Hosts File - a 3-way dance - which no one is doing at the moment.

This opportunity could have been a seperate option in a "pro version" for home or business use, thus providing a new revenue stream - which I'm sure you folks need.

It's kind of funny - bitman beat his chest proudly in his opening remarks on how he stopped using most of the blocking features such as Host files and Restricted Sites (Immunize) when IE7 came out..

Yet, this clown is a Spybot Advisor Team Member? :scratch:

Wait a second - Spybot provides a multi-layered system of protection including using Immunization, a Hosts File, and of course, Tea Timer...

What's wrong with this picture? Let me guess: Inept or Incompetent?

Feeling kinda silly, aren't ya? :slap:

I would never take advice from a guy who doesn't believe in his own product - nor would I take the advice from a guy who doesn't lock-down, secure, and harden the world's most widely hijacked Browser.

Upgrade to Windows 7? Why, so that I can be like you? I don't think so...

I have everything that I want or need from Vista and Windows 7 already - over 95% of "what is" Windows 7 and Vista has been ported back to XP - check this out:

List of Most Vista / Windows 7 Apps, Tools, and Features for XP

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...atures-for-xp/

Between this and other websites, blogs, and forums that for the past 8-9 years have documented tons and tons of information on XP...

I see no reason in the world why I should upgrade to Windows 7.

Here is another one of my favorites:

"The Road to Know Where" - get it? LOL

December, 2008 - check it out -

http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/?_c1...26ayear%3d2008

In fact, let me show you what a real XP system looks like:

http://photobucket.com/poolsharkzz

Your Honor, I rest my case - Take your Windows 7 and show it...

and then call me in April, 2014 - I might then decide whether or not XP is "out-dated" or not. In the mean time, do some research before you open your pie hole again:

"For all you Windows 7ers who need to bash XP"

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...-windows-7ers/

I also think it might be best to think about working harder to "get it right" on that so-called "redundancy" "immunization-thingy" feature again, it seems you folks have to catch up on some serious complaints from what I see!

The only person who made any sense was Rosenfeld. Thank you, maybe you can take another look at what my orginial intentions were for this thread and take it to the next level? It would be very much appreaciated.

Honda12 tried, but got caught up too much in the mix. Next time, I would suggest being a leader instead of a follower - you will go much farther and folks will respect you a whole lot more.

At the end of the it's simple people - focus on what the topic is and respond to it in kind - keeping your damn personal opinoins out of the picture.

This isn't my first rodeo, boy and girls, nor will it be my last. I've been dealing with technology since before most of you were even born - green screens, dot-matrix printers, the AS 400 mainframe, Cobol, DOS, Basic, Fortran, Pascal, Lotus Notes and Punch Card Reader Systems before that.

I suggest we try again, this time the right way? :oops:

I am looking foward to your on-topic answers.

Thank you,

poolsharkzz

poosharkzz,

Have fun playing in the dust with Windows XP, I and the rest of the world have moved on.

Bitman

Hi poolsharkzz,

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Honda12 tried, but got caught up too much in the mix. Next time, I would suggest being a leader instead of a follower - you will go much farther and folks will respect you a whole lot more.

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By your statement above, are you saying people aren't allowed to agree with one another?

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As the same with Honda12 - and I thought you had a back-bone!

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Unfortunately I am an invertebrate. :alien:

You are right that I do have less experience than bitman, hence why I look up to him in many respects, however, that is not to say I always agree with his opinion. Rather than being 'beaten into submission' in my second post to this thread, I was merely commenting on the old way of doing things and thanking him for an informative pdf which I haven't seen before. Everything he said in his reply (automation being expected), I agree with.

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The only person who made any sense was Rosenfeld. Thank you, maybe you can take another look at what my orginial intentions were for this thread and take it to the next level? It would be very much appreaciated.

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Rosenfield, out of all those who took the courtesy of replying to your thread was the only one not bashed in some way and seems now to be regarded as being 'on your side' - most likely because he disagreed with bitman concerning problems upgrading to Windows 7.

drragostea's reply although providing absolutely no value at all to the discussion (other than clearly annoying you and increasing his post count), still didn't warrant your blatant mocking.

This may have been pushed to the back of your obviously extremely technical mind, but you should remember that this is a discussion forum and you should respect people's views rather than take a swing at those who disagree with yours.

You guys still haven't figured it out - you have alot to learn...

I still see that even after my post you guys keep beating that Windows 7 drum instead of answering the questions as laid out in front of you.

The whole thing was simple -

I can see maybe setting up a few systems or maybe with a few VMs and running a few tests and throwing a few nasties at each of the systems with different configurations using Internet Explorer 8 armed with that guy's new InPrivate Filtering List from the Adblock Plus, Immunization from Spybot, and say the MVPS Hosts File, so that we don't have any "redundancy" issues...

The goals was basic -

1.) To see if speed and strength could work hand-in-hand.

2.) To learn witch is the best configuration.

2.) To answer my other questions as I originally posted.

Then, we could've compared my findings with your findings and together with a few tune-ups and tweaks, we could've gave Spybot users "and the world" another level of defense = making Spybot a more vital security application in a world where there is many and most are of equal stature.

Maybe some kind of positive "working relationship" could have been obtained or developed with this guy and Adblock Plus to work with Spybot to offer such an option for IE8 users in the next version of Spybot?

Instead, you wanted to get hard-headed and turned this into a jerk-off pissing contest concerning Operating Systems - only you didn't realise who you were dealing with!

What wrong with this picture, boys and girls? Feeling silly again?

I'd bet you'll think twice before doing something stupid like that again, no?

You missed it and I have no more time to cuddle each one of you and explain it again in smaller words so that you might understand.

It's your loss, and because of your refractive defect called short sightedness, I hope your competition "leaves you in the dust" - or have they already?

You know, until now I never understood why most folks don't even use Spybot anymore - well, guess what? I've learned something today!

Ladies and germs, it's an XP world - and will stay an XP world until Microsoft comes up with a product that will replace XP...

Something similar along the lines as what Windows 7 has done for Vista users - you know, to fix what's broken?

Until then...

XP - 'till the world blows up!

poolsharkzz


PS. As for bitman's Microsoft (SIR) Report - consider the source...

Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses?

Hmmm...

"So many have become accustomed to maintaining a plethora of security applications to protect themselves when it would be far simpler to upgrade the operating system and gain not only better security, but also the other features that the newer os includes."

Consider this source as well!

Hi poolsharkzz,

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only you didn't realise who you were dealing with!

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Okay, I think the whole Internet gets the picture with you concerning Windows 7! :clown:

I assume that this latest post is directed at bitman as he was the one who brought up the whole outdated OS issue which you obviously have very strong views about.

I wish you could see that you are getting caught up too much in the whole XP vs 7 "argument" and in an attempt to have the final word you have failed to see that bitman has clearly ended his participation in this thread - at least with you acting with the kind of language shown in your posts directed at him and others:

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Originally Posted by poolsharkzz

Please don't waste my time again with your foolish opinoins and senseless drool.

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Originally Posted by poolsharkzz

I would've fired your happy ass quicker than a High School Freshman with a Saturday Night Hooker ...

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Now, if you want to others to participate without fearing your wrath, please don't use that kind of language again. *says forum member with no authority at all* :laugh:

If I had any sense I would have reported you for blatant attacking of this thread's participants, however, if your reputation hasn't been tarnished too badly, maybe something of a "working relationship" could come to be or at least a proper discussion.

However, to truly discuss the technical aspects of your queries, the people to become involved would be members of the forum group 'Team Spybot' as they are directly linked with the development of the application.

Thanks,

honda :)

P.S. What the heck happened to the nice poolsharkzz in previous threads? :p:

honda12,

Thanks for the defense, but it's not necessary, since as you also understand it's something else that's driving poolsharkzz direction. In fact, a full read through his own link to a thread elsewhere clearly indicates the issue is money, not technology that's driving his decision. So my original statement that maintaining the security may be all he does with the PC was nearly correct, it's simply extended to include making it look like a current OS and for a different reason than I'd suspected.

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...-windows-7ers/

I'm simply not inclined to beat a dead horse, since there's an obvious lack of understanding of the core security differences between Windows 7 and the earlier operating systems, especially as it relates to 64-bit capability. I'm simply not inclined to perform a complete tutorial here, since they already exist elsewhere and this isn't the correct place for it anyway.

As you also correctly stated, I am not a member of Team Spybot, just another user of Spybot Search and Destroy with a history of helping others on the forums which anyone who frequents them is well aware. It will be up to them if they have any interest in this direction, though I personally believe it's a step backwards into another time which most with a deeper interest in the technology and thus Spybot S&D itself are leaving with lightening speed.

Bitman

Hi poolsharkzz,

you can use Windows XP as long as you think it's ok, because it is one of the best OS Microsoft has created. :bigthumb:

Your animadversion against voluntary helpers isn't adequate in this way. :cool:

Honda12 -

"Oh where, oh where, has the "Nice" poolsharkzz gone...?"
"Oh where, oh where, can he be?"

Well, it started out that way, until an utter novice in a cheap, wrinkled suit thought he could waste my time and sit down at the big table and talk with adults. Children are seen and not heard...

In the interest of fairness, he will get his chance redemption, that is, to prove himself and show his "technological prowess" later on, I assure you.

Let's look at a few of butman's (oops, I meant bitman's) comments, just for the record:

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"Your biggest and most obvious security risk is that outmoded operating system, Windows XP"

"However, as I stated in my post above, the real issue in this case is the outdated operating system, even though it is still supported by Microsoft."

My original post:

Ie8: Ad Blocking With The Inprivate Filter - Spybot & InPrivate Filter?

It doesn't matter what Operating System you have: XP, Vista and Windows 7 will all run Internet Explorer 8 smoothly. Further more, there was no mention anywhere in my original topic about "Operating System" or the like. Off-Topic.

"even though it is still supported by Microsoft"... (who's kidding who?)

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"I stopped using most of the blocking features such as Host files and Restricted Sites (Immunize) when IE7 came out, though IE8 has an even better set of protection for both Phishing and Malware in the SmartScreen Filter that's included."

Nobody cares if he runs IE7 or IE8 or that he runs them naked without protection or not. Off-Topic

While true that Microsoft upgraded the latest versions of Internet Explorer with a few decent options, I wouldn't trust Microsoft's technology alone - In fact, anyone with a brain either doesn't use Internet Explorer or knows how to technologically lock it down, secure, and harden it from the outside elements - dare I say that most would use Firefox?

Thus Immunization, a good Hosts File, and now we have the possibly the idea of using The Inprivate Filter with the Adblock Plus List - which all features are key and crucial to protecting one's system from viruses and spyware - anything else is just plain stupid on the users part...

I would follow bitman's advice is you enjoy reformatting your system often.

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"Though I personally believe it's a step backwards into another time which most with a deeper interest in the technology and thus Spybot S&D itself are leaving with lightening speed."

Old technology? A step backwards? You would be foolish to believe so! It's still quite relevant being that what, 80% or more of the Browser market is some version of Internet Explorer? Until that number falls below 10% or Microsoft releases a new version of Internet Explorer, I will stick to exactly what I am doing - thank you very much!

Let's see what Gazelle has in store for us. The rest of his comments are Off-Topic.

Which that is at the heart of the matter - I came here (which isn't that often) because I thought I was bringing to Spybot's attention a new way to safely lock-down, secure, and harden Internet Explorer - which is exactly what Spybot is supposed to do, right?

I did not post on this forum to receive personal, off-topic opinions about whether or not my Operating System is "out-dated" or not.

Shall we continue?

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"You've given some of the reasons that I've moved away from the use of block lists, but others include the fact that they require too much maintenance, since most of the tools aren't completely automated or require me to automate them. At a time when most everything being provided includes complete automation that works in a stable manner, I simply don't have the time to manually maintain my security any longer."

Seems like someone's a bit lazy and can't sit down and update his system once per week? I bet he finds time to go to his favorite porn site! Again, who cares if he has the time or not - Off-Topic

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"I'm simply not inclined to beat a dead horse, since there's an obvious lack of understanding of the core security differences between Windows 7 and the earlier operating systems, especially as it relates to 64-bit capability."

Core security differences? Right, you must be speaking about that really cool feature everyone loves called User Account Control (UAC)?

We gone over this already: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses

http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/...-8-10-viruses/

Again, those folks over at Sophos Labs are just a wee bit smarter than you are, I'm sure. Again, Off-Topic

Computers 101 - The Windows 7 core kernel is based on Vista's and much older technology - think of it at best as a Service Pack 3 for Vista because at the end of the day that is what Windows 7 is:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...in_preview.asp

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/1473-63-window-core

Have bitman write me a tutorial? Son, you really don't get it - I helped write some of the books you've read! - Again, his comments are Off-Topic

Who mentioned anything about 64-bit capability in my original post? I have a 32-bit Operating System, are we now trying to compare Apples to Oranges? Again, who cares, Off-Topic

Five Things You Should Know About Windows 7 Security

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente..._security.html

Wow - I can't believe it - They mention Internet Explorer 8 and using The Inprivate Filter!

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"So many have become accustomed to maintaining a plethora of security applications to protect themselves when it would be far simpler to upgrade the operating system and gain not only better security, but also the other features that the newer os includes."

The whole comment is so Off-Topic it's almost unbearable - Regardless of the Operating System you are running, even going back to Windows 3.11 - You have to have a very good-rated "top-ten" Firewall, decent Antivirus, decent Spyware, and Backup programs -

Otherwise you don't deserve to own a computer and it should be illegal for you to own one!

and this guy is still helping out others with Spyware and virus infections? What’s wrong with this picture?

You mentioned respecting others - how can I when I hear this garbage given to me as advice?

Here are a few examples on how someone helps another and gives advice:

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...efender-virus/

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...rect-redirect/

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...rus-need-help/

As you can see, the help and advice was always on-topic, specific and to the point without personal feelings or off-topic comments or naive, unproductive suggestions - excluding The Alpha Gamer - he is my pet project - including multiple times of seriously recommending Windows 7!

There is more, a whole bunch more - but the one that stands out, that took the cake:

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"In fact, a full read through his own link to a thread elsewhere clearly indicates the issue is money, not technology that's driving his decision. So my original statement that maintaining the security may be all he does with the PC was nearly correct, it's simply extended to include making it look like a current OS and for a different reason than I'd suspected."

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...-windows-7ers/

Is that all you got from this? You got a lot to learn...

While money was an issue, the overall issue is this: Since there is nothing new and unusual about Windows 7 and that it is nothing more than Service Pack 3 for Vista - with a whole lot of headaches and frustrations along the way - and since all the usable technology had been ported back to XP - there is no reason to upgrade.

Spend your money on something else, like a new 30 inch LCD flat panel monitor, a RAM or Processor upgrade, maybe a 100 watts multimedia sound system and then you are all set for when Microsoft comes out with something worth upgrading to...

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...gen-interface/

http://www.istartedsomething.com/200...llege-tour-09/

Now there is something you can spend your hard earned money on!

While trying to make me look follish, I see bitman missed the hard work, blood, sweat, and tears folks have put in porting back what was worth porting back from Windows 7 and Vista to XP - both from a technological aspect and from a customization aspect. Shame on you!

No matter how you slice it - bitman from the very beginning tried to make this a "XP versus Windows 7" topic when clearly the topic should have been discussing the following:

IE8: Ad blocking with the InPrivate Filter

Why? Because he blew it off. Why? Because it didn't fit into his 'little box", there-by letting his personal feelings get in the way:

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"Upgrade to Windows 7, throw on a good AV and maybe you'll get time to actually use your PC, not spend your life trying to secure it."

Meaning: 'Upgrade to Windows 7 and all your troubles will soon be over".

If I was a NOOB (like he thought I was) and followed his advice, I'd be out $125.00 for Home Premium or more:

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft...7/category/102

and we still would be right back where we started from.

How would you feel?

I am not angry anymore, bitman and his lackey have felt my wrath - talk about being chewed up and spat out! I am more disappointed and discouraged at the Off-Topics that were given because one felt he had to pronounce his own personal opinion because he didn't like the subject matter.

One more item - Rosenfeld - the only person who can claim he used his background knowledge and possible research before he spoke without interjecting his personal opinion to the topic at hand - that is why I gave him praise - not because I felt "he was on my side" as you so mistakenly suggested - because he gave a straight-forward answer without the "drama".

Don't feel left out - I gave you points for trying, and now I am giving you a few more for making sense on many levels - especially Post #6 - but at the end of the day the topic was as I wrote it: "Ie8: Ad Blocking With The Inprivate Filter - Spybot & InPrivate Filter?" - I do not care nor was the subject concerning maintenance, automation, passive protection, etc.

I have decided to move on and share my thoughts and ideas at other security forums. You can thank your buddy bitman for that.

I am sorry that you are an invertebrate. :D:

poolsharkzz


PS. I almost forgot: bitman's "technological prowess"

The challenge is quite simple: Repair a few bugs in Spybot.

1.) When you right click on a file to scan with Spybot it doesn't say: "Scan using Spybot - Search & Destory" - Repair this using my screen shot: "Spybot 1" as a reference.

2.) When you are using Internet Explorer - from the Tool Menu drop-down - "Spybot - Search & Destory Configuration" - Repair this using my screen shot: "Spybot 2" as a reference.

3.) When having Spybot opened, Repair it so that all columns automatically adjust throughout the program, including the update dialog box - anywhere where there is columns of information they need to be able to automatically adjust by themselves so that the user does not have to do it manually. Also, add a little space or make it extra wide but within the page so that all the columns are easier to read - also keep it so that you don't have to scroll to the left or right - keep it all on one page. Repair this using my screen shots: "Spybot 3" and "Spybot 4" as your references.

To repair this took me less than 20 minutes - I will give bitman 24 hours to post his replies.

I would also like to see these fixes rolled up and put together for everyone with Wednesday's updates, if possible.

There is no cheating, no help of any kind, no secret PMs, no asking questions with colleagues, etc.

It's all on bitman - this is his big chance to put his money where his mouth has been.

Piece of cake - I am looking forward to see these bugs fixed!

Screen shots are attached...

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Hi poolsharkzz,

you can use Windows XP as long as you think it's ok, because it is one of the best OS Microsoft has created. :bigthumb:

Your animadversion against voluntary helpers isn't adequate in this way. :cool:

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Thank you! I am glad you think that way... :bighug: :2thumb:

Look, I've explained myself fully over a couple of threads on why these guys got the thrashing they got.

I am sorry it had to be this way - I have a feeling it will continue cause bitman is the kind who thinks he is always right all of the time and I no longer have the time to play his game. :boxing:

It's sad - so much good could've came out of this! :hair: :crazy:

Take care, :yahoo:

poolsharkzz

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Time out.

Discussion is good, personal attacks are not.