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    I agree, as I've said on this thread at least a million times now.
    Actually the important part was that so many returns need to have a reason in quality as well imho, not (only) about the people, but their reasons, and that you haven't said

    That's interesting, I never thought it was free. I wonder why people think that.
    How does it find out their credit card information?
    That probably depends on how you get it. They use a bunch of methods beside the official site. Take a look at legal-at-spybot.info for example, a website by them using one of our email addresses as a name, and with the full look of our old website layout. And there are other sites out there... some people pay $19.95, some $39.95, some $59.85, all depends on where and how you get it.
    I guess the "free scan" combined with the name SpywareBot in so many different colors besides their official site leads many to believe the credit card information would only be asked for for personal identification or whatever.
    And where people knew they would have to pay something (though not what exactly for), there are also a bunch of emails about over-charging - some people agreed to pay $20 only to see $80 on the bill, etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PepiMK View Post
    Actually the important part was that so many returns need to have a reason in quality as well imho, not (only) about the people, but their reasons, and that you haven't said

    That probably depends on how you get it. They use a bunch of methods beside the official site. Take a look at legal-at-spybot.info for example, a website by them using one of our email addresses as a name, and with the full look of our old website layout. And there are other sites out there... some people pay $19.95, some $39.95, some $59.85, all depends on where and how you get it.
    I guess the "free scan" combined with the name SpywareBot in so many different colors besides their official site leads many to believe the credit card information would only be asked for for personal identification or whatever.
    And where people knew they would have to pay something (though not what exactly for), there are also a bunch of emails about over-charging - some people agreed to pay $20 only to see $80 on the bill, etc..
    In that case, I see why you detect it as malware. Thanks for the information

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    Unhappy Aaagh! Confusing typos.

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk View Post
    I realise that people definitely confuse the two programs, but as a long-time user of SpyBot I didn't have them confused. I'm sure SpyBot detects spyware that SpywareBot doesn't, but the opposite is also true, they detect different things.
    All I know is that even though SpywareBot is capitalizing on the SpyBot name, which I don't take lightly, it seems to me as if they also happen to make a program which is good and doesn't fit the category of spyware at all.
    It also seems slightly counter-intuitive that SpyBot would tell computer users it's spyware as a protest against SpywareBot being mistaken for SpyBot, because obviously if a user has both programs on their computer they are already aware that they are two different programs.
    It's not a big deal really, I only used SpywareBot to remove a single piece of spyware that slipped through the cracks when I changed firewalls (IE7 is so freakin' useless on it's own! I was only without a firewall for 10 minutes! :p) and now it's deleted anyway, but I think it's pretty underhanded and wrong to pick it up as spyware.
    SpyBot's purpose is to detect spyware, not software made by dishonest/sneaky companies who don't make spyware. If that was it's purpose then why doesn't it detect Windows XP itself? :p
    It's dishonest to call a program spyware just because they company are assholes and are capitalizing off your hard-earned name is all I'm trying to say, maybe come up with a different detection or popup window that says "this program isn't spyware but we think you should delete it anyway" or something like that, I dunno
    I'm trying to learn from all of you, but picking through what's intended It also seems slightly counter-intuitive that SpyBot would tell computer users it's spyware as a protest against SpywareBot being mistaken for SpyBot, where "it's" is actually meant as "it is"--I think, and then encountering If that was it's purpose which I'm sure was meant to be possessive "its" is confusing. Can you all proof these before you send them? There's good info here, but having to re-read through typos slows down the transmission--like the red software referred to in a later post, which I guess was meant as "rogue".
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    Here's the basic deal:

    If someone tries to get you into a business relationship based upon a fraud, deception, white lie, misunderstanding, or other come-on, where is the relationship going to go from there? Downhill, period.

    Let's face it, the "SpywareBot" people are lying to you from the get-go - trying to piggyback off the good name and good will of Spybot S&D to get people to be their customers.

    Do you think they would stop at the first lie? Do you think a relationship based upon deception is going to go anywhere? If so, I have a blind date for you. He's still on parole, but he's a real nice guy, trust me.

    Walk away from "sound alike" companies. The fact they are trading on another's name and goodwill should tell you volumes about they way they do business (shady) they way they view their customers (fools) and the way they feel about the law (ignore it).

    If "Spywarebot" ends up selling your data to 3rd parties, infecting your system with spyware, botware, trojans, worms, or whatever, you have no one but yourself to blame. They told you up front what sort of organization they are. You went ahead and did business with them anyway.

    The same is true for any other organization that markets using the same or similar shady techniques - telemarketing, SPAM, or whatever. People who respond to SPAM or telemarketers and then act all suprised when they get ripped off are FOOLS, period, and do not merit any sympathy.

    If you get an envelope in the mail that looks like something from the government (Statue of Liberty on the front, and "pay to the order" in the window above your name), and you open it only to find it is a credit card offer, do you think it is a good idea to do business with them? The entire relationship is predicated on a lie. Don't be suprised when they lie to you down the road....

    Just say no to these sorts of con artists. Patronizing such folks only encourages them and keeps them in business.

    If you have a good product or service at a good price, there is no need for such deception or trickery - the world will find you in short order, regardless of your product name.

    That's how Spybot S&D did it, anyway....

    FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertplattbell View Post
    Here's the basic deal:

    If someone tries to get you into a business relationship based upon a fraud, deception, white lie, misunderstanding, or other come-on, where is the relationship going to go from there? Downhill, period.

    Let's face it, the "SpywareBot" people are lying to you from the get-go - trying to piggyback off the good name and good will of Spybot S&D to get people to be their customers.

    Do you think they would stop at the first lie? Do you think a relationship based upon deception is going to go anywhere? If so, I have a blind date for you. He's still on parole, but he's a real nice guy, trust me.

    Walk away from "sound alike" companies. The fact they are trading on another's name and goodwill should tell you volumes about they way they do business (shady) they way they view their customers (fools) and the way they feel about the law (ignore it).

    If "Spywarebot" ends up selling your data to 3rd parties, infecting your system with spyware, botware, trojans, worms, or whatever, you have no one but yourself to blame. They told you up front what sort of organization they are. You went ahead and did business with them anyway.

    The same is true for any other organization that markets using the same or similar shady techniques - telemarketing, SPAM, or whatever. People who respond to SPAM or telemarketers and then act all suprised when they get ripped off are FOOLS, period, and do not merit any sympathy.

    If you get an envelope in the mail that looks like something from the government (Statue of Liberty on the front, and "pay to the order" in the window above your name), and you open it only to find it is a credit card offer, do you think it is a good idea to do business with them? The entire relationship is predicated on a lie. Don't be suprised when they lie to you down the road....

    Just say no to these sorts of con artists. Patronizing such folks only encourages them and keeps them in business.

    If you have a good product or service at a good price, there is no need for such deception or trickery - the world will find you in short order, regardless of your product name.

    That's how Spybot S&D did it, anyway....

    FWIW.
    Talk about bringing up an ancient thread! The conclusion was the SpywareBot got rid of a lot of my spyware that no other program did, but we have concluded the program is no good because people receive mysterious credit card withdrawals as a result of that program being installed.
    As for the other points you and others seem to think are important, I suggest you learn how marketing works because it's not a lovely market where everyone is respectful of eachother, it is cut-throat and many many products that are successful are only successful because they have more aggressive marketing, not because they're the best product. There were portable MP3 players before the iPod, but Apple had advertising that appealed to the hipster audience.
    Anyway I personally don't care if SpywareBot uses my personal information in tricky ways, my operating system does that all the time. I don't have anything to hide, I look up no more or less porn than anyone else, I have no illusions of grandeur that would cause me to get upset at my oh-so-important data being sent away. I hate spyware when it makes my computer run slowly or display random ads.
    Mwahaha I can rant with the best of 'em! Look, i wrote several paragraphs and still didn't really say anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk View Post
    ...As for the other points you and others seem to think are important, I suggest you learn how marketing works because it's not a lovely market where everyone is respectful of each other, it is cut-throat and many many products that are successful are only successful because they have more aggressive marketing, not because they're the best product...
    I downloaded spywarebot today because it advertised itself as spybot, a different product. That was more than just "aggressive marketing"; it was deceptive advertising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDunphy View Post
    I downloaded spywarebot today because it advertised itself as spybot, a different product. That was more than just "aggressive marketing"; it was deceptive advertising.
    Well it's possible they've changed their marketing in the space of a year, which is how long this thread has been dead for

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk View Post
    Well it's possible they've changed their marketing in the space of a year, which is how long this thread has been dead for
    Apparently spywarebot has not improved any since a year ago, when people were complaining about it, much less in the three months since the last time you defended that sleazy company. Spywarebot's deceptive advertising is an ongoing problem, not something they fixed a long time ago.

    I found this thread just today, and it helped convince me to not install their product. I hope it will help other people as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDunphy View Post
    Apparently spywarebot has not improved any since a year ago, when people were complaining about it, much less in the three months since the last time you defended that sleazy company. Spywarebot's deceptive advertising is an ongoing problem, not something they fixed a long time ago.

    I found this thread just today, and it helped convince me to not install their product. I hope it will help other people as well.
    I never defended the company, try reading with your eyes open next time. The program fixed my computer and I won't deny it just because the company is sleazy. I hope people don't install it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk View Post
    I never defended the company, try reading with your eyes open next time.
    You sounded like you were defending spywarebot in your reply to robertplattbell, when you pointed out again that it removed some other piece of malware for you and when you said you "don't care if SpywareBot uses my personal information in tricky ways".

    You also criticized him for "bringing up an ancient thread", even though he was talking about a current problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk View Post
    I have nothing to do with whoever is behind SpywareBot, in case you thought I did. I'm just sticking up for them because ...
    What is the difference between "defending" a company and "sticking up" for one?

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