ok juliet did delete the update and can go back and read up on it to see if microsoft doctored it any. one thing is the typing is way better earlier it would first show it was non responsive, then it'd have to catch up and would always leave words and letters out. it's doing the job now. also the scrolling, if i go right and click the arrow in the bottom right it will move the screen, before it wouldn't do anything. same for the mouse, the scroll would go dead. i did a screenshot of task mgr. so you could see at startup the numbers on the tabs. and what it said when i tried to start windef. i guess i'll go click on some things and see what i get for it...i'll bbl!