bilbobaggins
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Bug Fix
That seems to work for me, too. Many thanks to you for your effort and 'open source' spirit.:dancing-c
That seems to work for me, too. Many thanks to you for your effort and 'open source' spirit.:dancing-c
Solution to fix the pop-ups in TeaTimer
- Thread starter ElPiedra
- Start date
why is mine so bad?
md, why is my patch "inferior" just because it modify's 3 bytes instead of one? I mean if it was 3 MEGA-bytes instead of 1 then fair enough, but 3 BYTES?!?!
In fact i'm quite offended and wont be making any future patches / help. Not sure why I bothered.
md, why is my patch "inferior" just because it modify's 3 bytes instead of one? I mean if it was 3 MEGA-bytes instead of 1 then fair enough, but 3 BYTES?!?!
In fact i'm quite offended and wont be making any future patches / help. Not sure why I bothered.
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stein
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I have just installed Murdo's patch, and the installation was a snap. The guidelines in post 41 are more than sufficient for a successful install.
Murdo, ElPiedra, and SyreneD (and maybe others), thank you for doing what thousands of forum users never ever do, namely creating someting that even the official SpyBot designers did not manage!
Murdo, ElPiedra, and SyreneD (and maybe others), thank you for doing what thousands of forum users never ever do, namely creating someting that even the official SpyBot designers did not manage!
Personally, I consider this entire discussion pointless, since the problem itself should never have occured.
It's been so long since the 1.4 release date in June of 2005 that everyone's forgotten how this really happened. Though the original issue that triggered the display problem with the buttons was created by the Delphi compiler, this wasn't what allowed it to be released. The real problem was that no external test release of the true final 1.4 Release Candidate (RC) code was performed before it was distributed to the mirror sites. If this had been done, we would have found the problem within hours as we did in June.
However, the issue that concerns me most is that in the almost two years that I've been involved with Spybot, no significant upgrade of the program itself has occured between major (annual) releases, even to fix messy issues such as this one. This has led some to criticize what is otherwise an excellent product.
Regardless of my involvement here and the fact that the product itself is free, I still feel Spybot could be improved by a more frequent public upgrade cycle to remove already fixed bugs. I understand not wanting to have many 'point' releases during a versions lifetime, but most of the repeated questions here are due to two or three items which have been fixed for months in the internal version.
I would ask that Team Spybot consider re-designing the release cycle so that either a bug fix only release occurs shortly after (1-2 months at most) a major release or a 6 month sub-release occurs to refresh the existing code. Personally, I prefer the former for several reasons, most related to program version control and support issues.
Let's quit picking at each other and even Team Spybot and make our suggestions as to what we'd prefer as users. With that knowledge at least Team Spybot can make an informed decision that helps both the users of the program and the support load on Team Spybot itself.
It's been so long since the 1.4 release date in June of 2005 that everyone's forgotten how this really happened. Though the original issue that triggered the display problem with the buttons was created by the Delphi compiler, this wasn't what allowed it to be released. The real problem was that no external test release of the true final 1.4 Release Candidate (RC) code was performed before it was distributed to the mirror sites. If this had been done, we would have found the problem within hours as we did in June.
However, the issue that concerns me most is that in the almost two years that I've been involved with Spybot, no significant upgrade of the program itself has occured between major (annual) releases, even to fix messy issues such as this one. This has led some to criticize what is otherwise an excellent product.
Regardless of my involvement here and the fact that the product itself is free, I still feel Spybot could be improved by a more frequent public upgrade cycle to remove already fixed bugs. I understand not wanting to have many 'point' releases during a versions lifetime, but most of the repeated questions here are due to two or three items which have been fixed for months in the internal version.
I would ask that Team Spybot consider re-designing the release cycle so that either a bug fix only release occurs shortly after (1-2 months at most) a major release or a 6 month sub-release occurs to refresh the existing code. Personally, I prefer the former for several reasons, most related to program version control and support issues.
Let's quit picking at each other and even Team Spybot and make our suggestions as to what we'd prefer as users. With that knowledge at least Team Spybot can make an informed decision that helps both the users of the program and the support load on Team Spybot itself.
md usa spybot fan
Spybot Advisor Team [Retired]
ResHacker fix vs. SyreneD (one byte patch) vs. Murdo (five byte patch)
Original TeaTimer.exe contained the following code at offsets +00000158, +00000318 and +0013CAA2:
ResHacker fix – originally posted by flyingcucco on Jul 11, 2005 in this Net-Integration Forums post:
http://net-integration.us/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=31466&view=findpost&p=153105
Later posted by ElPiedra on Oct 28, 2005 here:
http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?p=423#post423
The ResHacker fix change done on my system changes the following:
Original SyreneD One byte patch:
By the way, I use none of the above. I am still running with the original Spybot-S&D 1.4 TeaTimer.exe.
I also agree with bitman's assessment. The delay in the correction of the TeaTimer dialog problem has caused severe and in many cases irreversible problems for people who are unaware of the "A" for "Allow change" or "D" for "Deny change" workaround or the fixes discussed in this thread. Particularly in light of the fact that closing the dialog denies the registry change. Please make the correction of this problem a priority.
Original TeaTimer.exe contained the following code at offsets +00000158, +00000318 and +0013CAA2:
- +00000158 – 543F
- +00000318 – 0090
- +0013CAA2 – A0 (160 decimal)
ResHacker fix – originally posted by flyingcucco on Jul 11, 2005 in this Net-Integration Forums post:
http://net-integration.us/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=31466&view=findpost&p=153105
Later posted by ElPiedra on Oct 28, 2005 here:
http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?p=423#post423
The ResHacker fix change done on my system changes the following:
- +00000158 – 543E
- +00000318 – 718F
- +0013CAA2 – BE (190 decimal)
Original SyreneD One byte patch:
- +0013CAA2 – BF (191 decimal)
- http://net-integration.us/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=31466&view=findpost&p=160216
- http://net-integration.us/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=31466&view=findpost&p=160676
- +00000158 - E63E
- +00000318 - 808F
- +0013CAA2 - B2 (178 decimal)
By the way, I use none of the above. I am still running with the original Spybot-S&D 1.4 TeaTimer.exe.
I also agree with bitman's assessment. The delay in the correction of the TeaTimer dialog problem has caused severe and in many cases irreversible problems for people who are unaware of the "A" for "Allow change" or "D" for "Deny change" workaround or the fixes discussed in this thread. Particularly in light of the fact that closing the dialog denies the registry change. Please make the correction of this problem a priority.
matchstich
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i did the 1 byte patch. it works . thanks yall
i did the 1 byte patch. it works . thanks yall
A couple of questions
First, THANKS! to the people who posted patches, especially the one with step-by-step instructions! I would not have been able to install the patch correctly without them. I can't say how much I appreciate having this fixed!
I have a couple of questions:
1. Is there any way to restart the memory-resident program without restarting my computer? Will just clicking on Teatimer.exe work?
2. Is there any way to Undo all the things I've had to deny because I didn't know the shortcut keys and couldn't get the popup box to allow the changes? I can't even remember what they were, but there have been several.
When I ran into the problem, the first place I looked was Support -- and I couldn't find ANY mention of this problem. I've denied a lot of changes I didn't want to deny....and caused I don't know how many problems for myself down the road....just because I could find any mention of the problem on Spybot's support page! Since there wasn't, I figured there was something wrong with my computer, not with Spybot.
Many thanks to the forum folks who solved this problem!
First, THANKS! to the people who posted patches, especially the one with step-by-step instructions! I would not have been able to install the patch correctly without them. I can't say how much I appreciate having this fixed!
I have a couple of questions:
1. Is there any way to restart the memory-resident program without restarting my computer? Will just clicking on Teatimer.exe work?
2. Is there any way to Undo all the things I've had to deny because I didn't know the shortcut keys and couldn't get the popup box to allow the changes? I can't even remember what they were, but there have been several.
When I ran into the problem, the first place I looked was Support -- and I couldn't find ANY mention of this problem. I've denied a lot of changes I didn't want to deny....and caused I don't know how many problems for myself down the road....just because I could find any mention of the problem on Spybot's support page! Since there wasn't, I figured there was something wrong with my computer, not with Spybot.
Many thanks to the forum folks who solved this problem!
md usa spybot fan
Spybot Advisor Team [Retired]
To stop TeaTimer:kemscm said:
- Right click Spybot's TeaTimer System Tray Icon > click Exit Spybot-S&D Resident.
- Using Windows Explorer, navigate to C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy.
- Double click TeaTimer.exe to start it.
If you go into Spybot > Mode > Advanced mode > Tools > Resident, there is a list of actions taken with TeaTimer. Unfortunately there is no way to reverse any Registry change decision ("Allow change" or "Deny change") that you made with TeaTimer. You have to redo whatever you were doing so that the Registry change is done again (or manually edit the Registry).kemscm said:
If you answer/answered any of TeaTimer's Registry change dialogs with "Remember this decision" the information concerning that change it is stored in a file. TeaTimer uses that information to automatically "Allow" or "Deny" future changes. You can edit "Remember this decision" entries as follows:
- Right click on the TeaTimer system tray icon and select Settings. This will bring up TeaTimer's "White & Black List". There are four (4) Buttons across the top of the "White & Black List":
- Allowed processes
- Blocked processes
- Allowed registry changes
- Blocked registry changes
Note: If you don't see all four buttons, try expanding the window to the right.
- You can review all the entries that you have stored by clicking on these buttons. The entries for the registry change function of TeaTimer can be found under the "Allowed registry changes" and "Blocked registry changes". You can delete entries by clicking on the scripted black "X" to the right of the entry that you want to delete and then clicking the "OK" button when you're done. This will in effect make TeaTimer forget what you told it to remember so that during future changes to these items TeaTimer will issue a pop-up dialog rather then just a notification pop-up.
stein
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md, thanks for pointing out the differences of the patches.
Ordinary users are not able to judge what 1 or 3 bytes can do for them. So they want to know what is the visible effect. Only then can they decide what is best for them.
I have tested the patch of SyreneD and Murdo.
When my display settings (Display Properties > Appearance) are set to XP default, both are equally good.
If my sight were bad and I had set the display settings to Extra Large Font Size, then the line describing the registry key would be hidden in both cases. With SyreneD's patch I would also have to scroll to see "Remember this...".
Personally I have set my display to Classic instead of XP. In this case the default settings (normal font size) makes SyreneD'patch look better, but both are fully readable. Murdo's make the button slightly (1 mm) overlap the check box, but not obscuring the text.
At settings Large Font Size and Extra Large they are both equally perfect.
Conclusions:
1. All patch-makers have done a job most of us are very pleased with.
2. Neither SyreneD's nor Murdo's patch is perfect (I have tested only these 2).
3. If you use the default settings of XP, both Murdo's and SyreneD's patches are equally good.
4. If you use Classic display setting, you would go for SyreneD's patch.
5. If you have very weak sight, Murdo's patch is the preferred one.
Ordinary users are not able to judge what 1 or 3 bytes can do for them. So they want to know what is the visible effect. Only then can they decide what is best for them.
I have tested the patch of SyreneD and Murdo.
When my display settings (Display Properties > Appearance) are set to XP default, both are equally good.
If my sight were bad and I had set the display settings to Extra Large Font Size, then the line describing the registry key would be hidden in both cases. With SyreneD's patch I would also have to scroll to see "Remember this...".
Personally I have set my display to Classic instead of XP. In this case the default settings (normal font size) makes SyreneD'patch look better, but both are fully readable. Murdo's make the button slightly (1 mm) overlap the check box, but not obscuring the text.
At settings Large Font Size and Extra Large they are both equally perfect.
Conclusions:
1. All patch-makers have done a job most of us are very pleased with.
2. Neither SyreneD's nor Murdo's patch is perfect (I have tested only these 2).
3. If you use the default settings of XP, both Murdo's and SyreneD's patches are equally good.
4. If you use Classic display setting, you would go for SyreneD's patch.
5. If you have very weak sight, Murdo's patch is the preferred one.
kemscm said:
I couldn't agree more! :bigthumb:
I know I posted previously that had my TeaTimer been funtioning correctly I would not have turned it off and by doing so exposed my computer to infection by malicious intent.
As I see it logic dictates that the whole purpose of this product is sabotaged if people do not know how to or unable to use it for its intended purpose. At the time I discovered the issue I was also unable to find any referances to this in the Help of Spybot or in online searches. The designer of one of the patches wrote here that they happened on this Site which is exactly how I ended up here.
To me it's like locks on a door if people don't use them they leave themself open to possible home invasions. I think it is fair to admit that Spybot S&D was developed because there are people out there that like to exploit software vulnerabilities, well the TeaTimer display issue might well be considered as a vulnerability?
stein said:
Thank you for the effort you have made to help the laypeople understand the visual impact of the fixes created.
(My display is XP default, 800x600 resolution, normal size fonts and for additional clearity I use Standard smoothing of screen fonts.)
I applied the patch created by Murdo and I am very happy with the result.
I definately feel alot more secure with the TeaTimer and SD Helper options functioning as they were intended.
:bigthumb:
Thanks a lot
When I realised that I had a problem with tea timer back in October 2005 the first place I looked for help was here is this forum. I found Elpiedra's post and fixed the little bug manually in 5 mins so Thanks Very Much.:bigthumb:
As for all the moaners and complainers who have filled up a lot of this thread Good Grief! You are using a "Free" program that is by far the best I have come accross so I don't see what you have to complain about. And if there is a little problem now and again so be it. After all isn't that what these forums and others like them are for? In fact isn't that what the Internet is all about people sharing information you know I.T. Go find something important to complain about and leave the forums to people who want to use them for help and information.
When I realised that I had a problem with tea timer back in October 2005 the first place I looked for help was here is this forum. I found Elpiedra's post and fixed the little bug manually in 5 mins so Thanks Very Much.:bigthumb:
As for all the moaners and complainers who have filled up a lot of this thread Good Grief! You are using a "Free" program that is by far the best I have come accross so I don't see what you have to complain about. And if there is a little problem now and again so be it. After all isn't that what these forums and others like them are for? In fact isn't that what the Internet is all about people sharing information you know I.T. Go find something important to complain about and leave the forums to people who want to use them for help and information.
Brumagem said:
I am sure someone will come along and cheer you and your comments along.
It's people like you and your high and mighty, holier then thou attitudes that give me reason to end my pathetic existance!
Thank you very MUCH!!!
Oh ya and I'd say have a great day but you are clearly already having one!
Rugbymongrel
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Clueless but ingnorance is bliss therefore I am blissfully ignorant but happy!
:buried: I'm afraid I am comparatively clueless when we start talking in detail about things.
Like I said blissfully ignorant. 
However also satisfied since the patch posted by murdo has worked perfectly! 
Don't know how and for the time being I don't care anyway. Just a great big THANK YOU to everyone who has posted and in particular to people who have posted patches, especially murdo (since I used murdo's) but also tashi for directing me here. :bigthumb:
Happy New Year everyone (I don't care that it is almost a fortnight ago)
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:buried: I'm afraid I am comparatively clueless when we start talking in detail about things.
Like I said blissfully ignorant. However also satisfied since the patch posted by murdo has worked perfectly! Don't know how and for the time being I don't care anyway. Just a great big THANK YOU to everyone who has posted and in particular to people who have posted patches, especially murdo (since I used murdo's) but also tashi for directing me here. :bigthumb: Happy New Year everyone (I don't care that it is almost a fortnight ago)
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Hi All...First let me say thanks to all who have provided such helpful detail about this problem....And especially to those who have given solutions...
I just upgraded from Spybot 1.3 to Spybot 1.4 on 1/2/06....So had a lot of catching up to do with the TeaTimer pop-up problem / solution....Thank goodness for this forum....!!!!!
I downloaded the "ResHacker" patch yesterday...I haven't installed it yet....Part of ResHacker install says to "turn off TeaTimer through Advanced Mode in Spybot"----I did that yesterday using **my account.....Planned on doing "just a bit more research" before installing the patch to be sure I understood everything etc etc.....Here's where I ran into something not mentioned as part of this problem/solution.....
I have Win XP....with **2 accounts (my husband's and mine)....I just discovered:
In my account-------------TeaTimer is turned "off"
In husband's account------TeaTimer is still "on"
I assume I have to change his setting to "off" also......??.....
Thanx in advance for any/all help......
I just upgraded from Spybot 1.3 to Spybot 1.4 on 1/2/06....So had a lot of catching up to do with the TeaTimer pop-up problem / solution....Thank goodness for this forum....!!!!!
I downloaded the "ResHacker" patch yesterday...I haven't installed it yet....Part of ResHacker install says to "turn off TeaTimer through Advanced Mode in Spybot"----I did that yesterday using **my account.....Planned on doing "just a bit more research" before installing the patch to be sure I understood everything etc etc.....Here's where I ran into something not mentioned as part of this problem/solution.....
I have Win XP....with **2 accounts (my husband's and mine)....I just discovered:
In my account-------------TeaTimer is turned "off"
In husband's account------TeaTimer is still "on"
I assume I have to change his setting to "off" also......??.....
Thanx in advance for any/all help......
So how come?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Spybot team cant fix this themselves???????????????
Like when it was first pointed out to them MONTHS AGO!!!???????????????
Maybe they should also look at fixing the other VERY ANNOYING bugs in Tea timer as well, especially the one keeps popping up saying it's allowing or denying changes to registry keys for software that is no longer installed on your computer....
And yes I have gone into the Tea Timer settings and deleted the entries, but Tea Timer keep putting the registry keys back in and displaying the pop ups again even when those registry keys are copied and pasted into several different restry editors that say no such registry keys exist in the registry....
The only way I have found to work around it is to delete the reg keys in the Tea Timer settings/allowed registry changes window, close Tea Timer, open Spybot, disable Tea Timer from monitoring for registry changes, close Spybot, reboot, open Spybot, enable Tea Timer to monitor registry changes again, shut down Spybot, reboot, and check to see in Tea timer is no longer listing the reg keys in it's settings windows.....
But I'm not holding my breath for them to fix it, after all it's only a freeware program and I should be grateful for that shouldn't I/we.....
The Spybot team cant fix this themselves???????????????
Like when it was first pointed out to them MONTHS AGO!!!???????????????
Maybe they should also look at fixing the other VERY ANNOYING bugs in Tea timer as well, especially the one keeps popping up saying it's allowing or denying changes to registry keys for software that is no longer installed on your computer....
And yes I have gone into the Tea Timer settings and deleted the entries, but Tea Timer keep putting the registry keys back in and displaying the pop ups again even when those registry keys are copied and pasted into several different restry editors that say no such registry keys exist in the registry....
The only way I have found to work around it is to delete the reg keys in the Tea Timer settings/allowed registry changes window, close Tea Timer, open Spybot, disable Tea Timer from monitoring for registry changes, close Spybot, reboot, open Spybot, enable Tea Timer to monitor registry changes again, shut down Spybot, reboot, and check to see in Tea timer is no longer listing the reg keys in it's settings windows.....
But I'm not holding my breath for them to fix it, after all it's only a freeware program and I should be grateful for that shouldn't I/we.....
Mr_Refney said:
So why CANT the Spybot team take the FIVE MINUTES it takes to fix it to do the same and offer it as a fix to ALL users????????
And just because it's a free program doesn't negate them having the responisbility to fix the bugs in the program, especially one that is supposedly one of the best available and a fix that is so easy to do.....
No, I just thing they cant be bothered....
