vistaprint
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tashi
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Hello bkmtech,
There are a few topics regarding VistaPrint, please see this one: http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?t=54527
Best regards.
There are a few topics regarding VistaPrint, please see this one: http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?t=54527
Best regards.
I read the link you sent me.
I am not sure how much Spybot should be concerning themselves with situations like this. As I said, I have been doing business with them for years,and have never, ever had a problem with them. In fact I placed 4 separate orders with them last night
Does Spybot really want to block every site that people have a problem with.
I want Vistaprint removed from the immunization database. I don't want to have to go into the hosts file and remove this entry every time I immunize.
I can understand how Spybot is trying to protect people, but if you try to protect every idiot from their own actions you will cause a lot of unnecessary frustration to people, such as myself who could not access this website for months until I finally figured out what could be wrong.
But also impacting a business, who as far as I am concerned is very legitimate, and should also be considered innocent until proved guilty.
A lawsuit is not a verdict.
I am not sure how much Spybot should be concerning themselves with situations like this. As I said, I have been doing business with them for years,and have never, ever had a problem with them. In fact I placed 4 separate orders with them last night
Does Spybot really want to block every site that people have a problem with.
I want Vistaprint removed from the immunization database. I don't want to have to go into the hosts file and remove this entry every time I immunize.
I can understand how Spybot is trying to protect people, but if you try to protect every idiot from their own actions you will cause a lot of unnecessary frustration to people, such as myself who could not access this website for months until I finally figured out what could be wrong.
But also impacting a business, who as far as I am concerned is very legitimate, and should also be considered innocent until proved guilty.
A lawsuit is not a verdict.
After reading more threads about Vistaprint, I'll just say this.
I have never had a problem with them. They send out a ton of marketing E-Mails, but I signed up for them.
They have never overbilled me, or double billed me, or fraudulently billed me.
Every time I order I have to reenter my credit card number. Even if I placed another order 5 minutes ago.
I read the posts, I don't even believe half the crap that is written.
But rather than argue the point, because I am sure some dissatisfied person will chime in with some compaint that cannot be verified, is there some way for me to prevent spybot from adding this entry again every time I immunize.
Spybot is not helping me by preventing me from accessing a website I want to use, and have used dozens of times.
I have never had a problem with them. They send out a ton of marketing E-Mails, but I signed up for them.
They have never overbilled me, or double billed me, or fraudulently billed me.
Every time I order I have to reenter my credit card number. Even if I placed another order 5 minutes ago.
I read the posts, I don't even believe half the crap that is written.
But rather than argue the point, because I am sure some dissatisfied person will chime in with some compaint that cannot be verified, is there some way for me to prevent spybot from adding this entry again every time I immunize.
Spybot is not helping me by preventing me from accessing a website I want to use, and have used dozens of times.
I have been doing a little more research into VistaPrint, and feel that Spybot has overeached.
Spybot should be protecting computer users from spyware/adware.:thanks:
And they should be protecting computer users from companies that sell fake security/antivirus software.:rockon:
But when Spybot takes it upon itself to become a self-appointed online Better Business Bureau, let me say this:flame:
I have half a mind to write VistaPrint and tell them what is going on.
I want Spybot to either remove this entry from the immunization database or supply me with a foolproof method to prevent this entry from being made in the hosts file again.
Vistaprint is currently in review, if all is well it will be removed from immunization with the update 2010-02-10.
However if the spam links provided by certain so called bad affiliates are still active Vistaprint will not be removed.
Vistaprint is a typical example for irresponsible affiliate marketing, as long as it is online no one appears to care about who they pay as long as they get their advertising. This often results in payment for Spammers, which are criminals, no more no less.
Many marketing companies are very reluctant in prosecuting Spammers since they do not see the possible dangers in affiliation with criminals.
However if the spam links provided by certain so called bad affiliates are still active Vistaprint will not be removed.
Vistaprint is a typical example for irresponsible affiliate marketing, as long as it is online no one appears to care about who they pay as long as they get their advertising. This often results in payment for Spammers, which are criminals, no more no less.
Many marketing companies are very reluctant in prosecuting Spammers since they do not see the possible dangers in affiliation with criminals.
That's all well and good...
but for several weeks now I've had to borrow someone elses computer to access Vistaprint with whom I regularly do business (with no problems, by the way!).
I love Spybot for what it does right, but it should not block a major business like Vistaprint without giving us a a very clear choice to opt out. We have the Better Business Bureau to handle that kind of stuff.
but for several weeks now I've had to borrow someone elses computer to access Vistaprint with whom I regularly do business (with no problems, by the way!).
I love Spybot for what it does right, but it should not block a major business like Vistaprint without giving us a a very clear choice to opt out. We have the Better Business Bureau to handle that kind of stuff.
Seriously, I spent over an hour trying to figure out why vistaprint was down, I needed to get a postcard order out for a client... never thought there would be a relationship between a spyware program and vistaprint.
Been using them for 3 years, for myself and clients, about 10 orders per year, never a problem.
Been using them for 3 years, for myself and clients, about 10 orders per year, never a problem.
Yodama
This is precisley the point I tried to make earlier.
It is not SPYBOT's place to be an online beter business bureau.
There is not one thing that VistaPrint or it's affiliates are doing that is harmful to your computer, or misleading about your computer.
And the fact that other people other than myself or complaining about this should be more of a concern to you than some idiot that clicks on an offer link and accepts an offer without reading the fine print.
You don't remove VistaPrint from the imminuzation database I will stop immunizing my hosts file.
I don't need SPYBOT to be my mother.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
This is precisley the point I tried to make earlier.
It is not SPYBOT's place to be an online beter business bureau.
There is not one thing that VistaPrint or it's affiliates are doing that is harmful to your computer, or misleading about your computer.
And the fact that other people other than myself or complaining about this should be more of a concern to you than some idiot that clicks on an offer link and accepts an offer without reading the fine print.
You don't remove VistaPrint from the imminuzation database I will stop immunizing my hosts file.
I don't need SPYBOT to be my mother.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
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This was your statement.
Vistaprint is a typical example for irresponsible affiliate marketing, as long as it is online no one appears to care about who they pay as long as they get their advertising. This often results in payment for Spammers, which are criminals, no more no less.
Many marketing companies are very reluctant in prosecuting Spammers since they do not see the possible dangers in affiliation with criminals.
I think VistaPrint should be informed that you are insinuating that they are affilated with criminals.
olice:
Vistaprint is a typical example for irresponsible affiliate marketing, as long as it is online no one appears to care about who they pay as long as they get their advertising. This often results in payment for Spammers, which are criminals, no more no less.
Many marketing companies are very reluctant in prosecuting Spammers since they do not see the possible dangers in affiliation with criminals.
I think VistaPrint should be informed that you are insinuating that they are affilated with criminals.
olice:Gopher John
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Far more people use SpyBot Search & Destroy to protect their computers than use VistaPrint. I applaud their efforts.
Those that wish to use VistaPrint can simply remove the protections that SpyBot S&Dolice: offers, and go about their business. The rest of the greater community can continue to be safe from it's affiliates:devil:.
Those that wish to use VistaPrint can simply remove the protections that SpyBot S&D
olice: offers, and go about their business. The rest of the greater community can continue to be safe from it's affiliates:devil:.Far more people use SpyBot Search & Destroy to protect their computers than use VistaPrint. I applaud their efforts.
Those that wish to use VistaPrint can simply remove the protections that SpyBot S&D
Point 1: You must be one of those computer users that needs to have their mother hold their hand when they use the compuuter.
But put that aside
Point #2: Tell me one thing that VistaPrint or it's afilates are doing that is ""harmful to a computer""??
Point #3: Tell me how to immunize without adding this particular entry.
Answer questions 2 and 3 and I will lend credence to your post.
Well you have to immunize everything, then turn it on to advanced mode, go to settings then to ie and unlock your hosts file... then go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc and edit your hosts file to remove the two entries related to vistaprint... then if you are using firefox like me you have to un-immunize your images, but if you are using chrome or ie you might not have to.... though I'm still having trouble seeing images on the site 
That aside, I 100% agree, and don't think this type of site should be moderated in this way. As far as I can tell from their site they are only affiliates with Commission Junction, Google and LinkShare. As far as I know most affiliate networks have strict anti-spam policies. If it were there own affiliate program it would be one thing, but if the spammers keep trying to exploit the affiliate networks is it really vp's fault?
I just want to get my postcards printed!!!! But I still can't get images to show... sigh.
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Just had to restart firefox to get the images to show... I've been too busy complaining
That aside, I 100% agree, and don't think this type of site should be moderated in this way. As far as I can tell from their site they are only affiliates with Commission Junction, Google and LinkShare. As far as I know most affiliate networks have strict anti-spam policies. If it were there own affiliate program it would be one thing, but if the spammers keep trying to exploit the affiliate networks is it really vp's fault?
I just want to get my postcards printed!!!! But I still can't get images to show... sigh.
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Just had to restart firefox to get the images to show... I've been too busy complaining
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spybotsandra
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Hello,
Vistaprint will be removed from immunization with the update from the 2010-02-10.
Best regards
Sandra
Team Spybot
Vistaprint will be removed from immunization with the update from the 2010-02-10.
Best regards
Sandra
Team Spybot
Gopher John
New member
@bkmtech,
It looks like it is a moot argument. It seems VistaPrint has addressed complaints about it, or it wouldn't be removed from the immunizations.
Reply to #1. I don't need help for myself, but I have a couple of friends that I have to disinfect their computers fairly regularly. In order to 'see' something, they click thru warnings that the security programs give them. I can assure you that they have 'seen' almost everything.
Reply to #2. Their reputation preceeds them. I don't visit the site, so have no first hand information.:laugh:
Reply to #3. ewebsky told you how. A web owner is and should be held responsible for any affiliate the has been allowed to place a link on their site.(and especially if allowed to run active content from a 3rd party site)
It looks like it is a moot argument. It seems VistaPrint has addressed complaints about it, or it wouldn't be removed from the immunizations.
Reply to #1. I don't need help for myself, but I have a couple of friends that I have to disinfect their computers fairly regularly. In order to 'see' something, they click thru warnings that the security programs give them. I can assure you that they have 'seen' almost everything.
Reply to #2. Their reputation preceeds them. I don't visit the site, so have no first hand information.:laugh:
Reply to #3. ewebsky told you how. A web owner is and should be held responsible for any affiliate the has been allowed to place a link on their site.(and especially if allowed to run active content from a 3rd party site)
More concern for blocking Vistaprint
I have to add my .02 and request that Vistaprint be removed from the blocking list.
I personally have fallen prey to the spam programs that were a part of Vistaprint and had to call the companies and request refunds etc. Even with that experience, I still want Vistaprint to be removed. I use them quite a bit and thought that they had gone out of business until I did the research and found this thread.
I have donated quite a lot of money to your business. I make sure that everyone that I tell donates as well. If you do not remove the block on Vistaprint, I'll be forced to dump your security software and find another choice. Not that I want to, it's a matter of business; you have made it almost impossible for my business to continue.
I have to add my .02 and request that Vistaprint be removed from the blocking list.
I personally have fallen prey to the spam programs that were a part of Vistaprint and had to call the companies and request refunds etc. Even with that experience, I still want Vistaprint to be removed. I use them quite a bit and thought that they had gone out of business until I did the research and found this thread.
I have donated quite a lot of money to your business. I make sure that everyone that I tell donates as well. If you do not remove the block on Vistaprint, I'll be forced to dump your security software and find another choice. Not that I want to, it's a matter of business; you have made it almost impossible for my business to continue.
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GopherJohn
In regards to your reply to Point 1, I challenge you to provide any proof that VistaPrint or it's affiliates has or is infecting any computer with spyware or malware.
In regards to Point 2, as you said you have no firsthand knowledge.
In regards to Point 3, ewebsky did not say how to prevent the entry from being made, only how to remove it.
I will still stand by my assertion that SPYBOT has no business acting like a self-appointed online Better Business Bureau in cases where there is no infection of a computer or misleading software downloads.
SPYBOT can expect to hear from me again the next time SPYBOT acts in similar manner with any other company I desire to do business with.
Thank you SPYBOT for removing this entry.:bigthumb:
Sincerely
Brian
Gopher John
New member
@bkmtech
I have no need to provide you with anything, and I'm quite sure that your threats aren't at all concerning to Safer Networking.:laugh:
If VistaPrint returns to the spammer affiliates, then it is likely to be added back in again.
I have no need to provide you with anything, and I'm quite sure that your threats aren't at all concerning to Safer Networking.:laugh:
If VistaPrint returns to the spammer affiliates, then it is likely to be added back in again.
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Do you work for SPYBOT, or with SPYBOT.
If you don't I would suggest you have nothing serious to contribute.
Just passing time I guess.